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Dear Manoj, You have narrated a meaningful conversation. I was told, not only the deity, even the entire place where the temple is located has the divine vibration. One should relate with the 5 elements of that place to get the best benefits. Earth - We walk inside temple without our footwear Water - We are given Thirtha Fire - We are shown the Aarti plate and we take the heat to our eyes and forehead Air - We breathe the atmospheric air of the place Sky - Of course, after our Dharshan we sit in an open area within the temple place and meditate. So every pilgrimage has its own worth. | |
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Raja Sir ... i just read your blog on Comfort Zone ...... are you trying to keep me in comfort zone if then i do not need it .......... moreover i am always in the Comfort Zone on the lap of Sri Hari ....... PRAISE, PRIZE, PRICE has never made me feel comfortable than being with Him ........ Thank you :):):):):):):):) | |
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All humility is pretension, suppression, manipulation, masking, inhibition preventing the expression of truth of existence, aham brahmasmi, the infinitely expansive all inclusive one universal ego, for small gains of acceptability from the others , when actually there are no others, all being none other than one , only one self , a frank truthful fearless original blurt out is better than the pretended courtesy , humility, which are not necessary really why be small , when actually you are one big all | |
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I appreciate your creativity of words Rishi ji :):):):):):):):):):) | |
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'' i am not the same person always.'- | |
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You are the same person with different names Rishi ji ........ i never give importance to names Ha Ha Ha :):):):):):):) | |
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Rishi is the same one seer that exists behind all the infinite names and forms, mine, yours, every one's manifest individual is the bundle of infinite entities which are different i am the same seer eternal but my names and forms are not the same so ''i am not the same person always '' | |
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Dear Manoj, Why should I think that I should maintain you in the comfort zone? Who am I to do so? Who am I to bring you out of that comfort zone? It is your decision to be there or come out of it. I play no role. I only share what I feel on reading the blog. That is why it is different for different blogs. Even in your blogs, I praised you a lot and in some I criticized and in some I commented. All depends on what I feel at that time. If you fail to acknowledge that difference what can I do? Please do not carry your opinion about me to every comment of me. i am not the same person always. | |
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I Am Not the Same Person I Was Yesterday The last year - and more - have been so life-changing, I can't always catch my breath. As I was traveling about this over the weekend, I wrote something off the cuff: Who I've been can't always catch up with who I'm becoming. And that keeps coming up for me as a more-than-true statement; it's a core statement, down to the very essence of my being. | |
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The person I was yesterday cannot know the person I am today or will be tomorrow ! | |
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Since you are reborn today, will be reborn tomorrow a strange, new one , ''not the same person always always'' | |
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In essence I AM THAT..... and so are you ..........unfortunately samsara holds me ... | |
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In every person, there is a doer and a devil. With every passing days, the doer dies and a devil has to rise. One always want to change self of yesterday's one's or want to be someone who is ideal idol... never the present one? | |
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One has to get rid of both the doer( of the action) and the enjoyer ( of the results). Bas ! Kam ho jayega ! That is surrendering to our own Divinity. We have to lose our ego and silence our mind in the present and we alredy ARE that Supreme Reality. Then why to worry about God or the Devil ?? What irony , that we still keep running around asking for this that and the other, when our true nature is ever poorna , ever complete.! | |
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True Nina, But even a glimpse of experience can make one to stop asking here and there. No one asks, where is the Sun. Because, people have lot of belief in God. A belief is always supplemented by "doubt". many people think that by growing the intellect, this doubt can be cleared. But it is not possible. A glimpse of Godly experience is more profound than reading one thousand books. | |
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Having reached the feet of a Satguru, no need to wander around asking . All doubts are resolved before I can speak them !! Yes, experience is no doubt more than mere parroting the shatras. but for experience to be real and not a hallucination of the mind, the basic requirement is total purity of the mind and a single pointed mind. | |
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Dear Nina, On reaching the Sadguru too, there is a problem. Most of us try to analyse through logic, whether he is a real one or fake one. Then first we start "believing" him. Once belief is there "doubt" also comes as a free gift. We go to him, but still we stay away from him. We only hear from him, only what we want to hear. We see him only through our conditioning. We try to scale him with our intellect. Hence it is told, Guru is a gift. If one can see a Guru and if he feels that he knows that man for a long long time and if such an acquaintance is developed even at first sight, then he has reached the right Guru. I used to say jovially, Guru Disciple relationship is "Love at first sight", logic has no role to play there. It is not possible to purify the mind and experience something. That is why, I said "glimpse". A real practitioner, need not be a realized soul to witness that glimpse. Even with all the impure mind, he can witness that. Even it be a hallucination, if he tries again and again, it becomes a real glimpse. There are many meditation techniques which favor "imagination" as a tool, to still the mind and transcend it. The vice versa also happens. The more a person tries to reach that glimpse again and again, the mind gets purified in the process. | |
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Aha!! You are talking of the physical form of the Guru. The first thing to understand is that the Guru is NOT, the physical form but the Guru tattva ! And that tattva is nothing but the Supreme Reality appearing in human form . They say, when the sudent is ready, the Guru appears ! My Gurus are Dakshinamurty Shiva, Acharya Shankara, Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi, Swami Chinmayananada, and my present teacher , but actually all represent the knowledge , the wisdom , they are established in , and firmly abide in. A Sadguru , must be a Shotriya( one well versed in the scriptures) and a Brahmanishtha( well established and firmly grounded in abidance in the Supreme Reality ) Yes you are right ,you know at once that this is your Guru.It is a connection beyond words! The Guru is one who holds up the mirror of the scriptures , so you can see your real Self . Because that is all we need to do — know our real Self. I personally am a bit wary about 'so called experience,' because I learnt and practiced meditation' for many years — but nothing happened . The mind became a bit calm , no doubt, ..... but remained a jada mati. Yes meditation based on imagination is called upasana and I practice it daily. As for samadhi, it is not a verb.... not something you can do ! Like sleep cannot be practiced , we just slip into sleep spontaneously. So too samadhi should be spontaneous.... no doing in volved. Chitram vata -tarormule vriddhah shishya guuryuva gurostu maunam vyakhyanam shishyastu chinna- samshayah. ( Strange indeed! Under the banyan tree the aged disciples sat around the youthful Guru. The Guru's discourse was silence... yet all the doubts of the disciples were dispelled . ) | |
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Dear Nina, An ignorant common man meets a Guru, he could have never understood that Guru is not physical form, but the great Tattva. All he can know initially is the subtle connection, some sort of attraction between him and the Guru. that's all. Many other things he will know, understand and realize only on acquaintance of the Guru. Also, there is no necessity that a Sadguru must be well versed with scriptures. But a Sadguru is definitely the essence of all scriptures by Himself. Even if you feel that nothing happened in spite of years of practice of meditation, this itself is a wonderful state. "Experiences", "Glimpses" are only motivators to continue the practice. After some time everything fades away. You said "Nothing happened".... actually "nothing is there to happen". If something can "happen", it is not the "ultimate". "Ultimate" is beyond all happenings. Samadhi is also not "ultimate", but a process that "happens". May be you can say "close to ultimate", but certainly not "ultimate". | |
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Dear AR, Acharya Shankara very clearly says that Realisation can clearly be felt by the person, like an amlaka friut in his palm ! True, samadhi , even jivan mukti, is not the Ultimate....... according to the Sapta Jnana Bhumikas , there are 3 higher states after Jivan Mukti, (though those are only gradations in mukti .) The Upanishads unambiguously state that the teacher must be a shotriya , brahmanishtha. One exception — Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi— Who is beyond the shastras !! Seekers look for some sign of progress in themselves. So I said nothing happened . When we place water in a vessel on the fire, we watch it to see when it boils. In my vessel , no signs of boiling..... not even a few bubbles ! And yes, when the seeker finally IS Brahman..... there is nothing there (but Brahman). That is why Buddha said it is shunya. Either we can experience it as shunya or poornata . ... when we get there ! | |
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I admire your knowledge in books and scriptures. I am very distant from all these things. I am very ignorant of them. I know no Upanishad, nothing about the teachings of Sankara, nothing about the teachings of Buddha. But I try to know about "them" and not their teachings. As far as teachings, they are addressed to different kinds of people. So they are in many different ways from the same master. So I keep "them" with me. This is my way of process. Whatever I speak is from my knowledge gained through my experiences. So, it may be contradictory to the teachings of great masters, sometimes. But I am no one before them. They are always the greats. | |
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Dear AR, As yet , this is only what the Mundakopanishad calls lower knowledge. Real wisdom , what the Upanishads call vijnyana is actual direct experience or aparokshanubhuti. The Supreme has been kind , that I have found a Master at whose feet to hear these amazing texts. I dont know how far you live from Bangalore....... if possible try to listen to Swami Brahmananda, at least once . We are listening to him these days in Delhi , the subject ...... Shivanandalahiri!! | |
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Nina ji ....Swami Brahmanand has explained the Mankutimmana Kagga of D.V.G very well in fact that was my first opening to this path it is in Kannada ......if interested get it from the link bellow: http://www.pravachanam.com/browse/kannada/srimad_b hagavadgita/swami_brahmananda/mankuthimmana_kagga | |
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Cant understand Kannada............. but listening to him is wonderful . Have many of his stotra and mantra chanting CD's . | |
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Dear Nina, I reside in Coimbatore, about 400 kilometers from Bangalore. I have not heard of Swami Brahmananda. Let me try. | |
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Wait....... if you really want to meet him , it will happen . | |
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Wonderful krishan sir, I just mentioned that sentence casually but I did not expect it could derive this much meaning. | |
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Yes this happens to all of us; To tell you once I was shouting on phone to factory staff. Next day I saw my wife was shouting to her mother, I snatched the phone from her hand asked why you are shouting to your mother so harshly, she said I have learned from you only. That lesson was a turning point, now i am polite... life teaches you lessons like a mirror... thanks | |
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A lesson from wife is always good, though it would be mostly a bitter pill to swallow. :))) | |
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Life is full of lessons for those who are eager to learn Krishna ji ...... Thank you :):):):):) | |
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Instructions for living a life. Pay attention. Be astonished. Tell about it. | |
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'' i am not the same person always.'---------------i felt many times, but with your saying this is a confirmation on my presumption , thanks for this one sentence, contains infinite fuel , if only one could ignite it !! how many can really catch the gem message it contains, which thousand blogs cannot give am i praising if so whom am i praising praising you or your sentence or praising me or my wisdom to locate the gem box thrown here | |
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Praise is for "one" as you said in your previous comment. But individual people can take the praise as per their wish. I can also think "I am worth for this praise". But it is very wrong in the basics. | |
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Should we get rid of sycophancy. One is a divinity incarnate, in reality , born with potential to become infinitely powerful. a praise , tho may be a superlative , cannot really do justice to the real stature , even by the best of vocabulary, poetry, song, and dance so any sycophancy is inadequate, incomplete, imperfect, partial, patchy, because, the living soul is supreme , tho is in seed form, the more the praise, the more the supreme is pleased, the more the blessings will be his who do sing the praise one can praise a boss, a leader, a cadre, a commoner, a rag picker--all deserve the best praise the praise from the heart one can praise a cow, a bull, an ass, a crow, a tree, a river a mountain a moon a star, a dead stone . all are the manifestation of the divinity tho in lesser or greater degree. a praise is in reality a prayer, nothing less ,--in what way is done or on whom done , on what occasion done. on pretext done let's be the best sycophants we shall be truly blessed Sthuthi in sanskrit means to praise. Stothras are the praise of the Hindu Gods. what praise does, to whom? basically praise is a praise to the self praise, atma sthuthi why praise? human has infinite qualities , potential powers, with stored inside , bunching them , under each deva title for convenience to awaken those powers in us , we need to utter these praises, sthuthis, sthothras the benefit is for those who utter , to those who hear . by that in both of them, typical Powers associated with that god, like say vishnu, are awakened . and one becomes inspired to action with all the energy and intelligence to accomplish great tasks Rama praised hanuman and inspired him to great actions we have powers, but a sthuthi makes them available for use . and a praise is an instant morale booster, And for that reason, knowingly, the kings employed the services of professional sycophants, whose job is to praise the king at suitable occasion and create an atmosphere of dignity awe respect so that he can proceed successfully with his conducting the affairs of the kingdom. Soldiers are praised before they are roused for an attack on the enemy we praise our country , thus raise our aspirations , thus inspired to meat ideals national anthem is great, it is a great praise it moves our heart in praise heart melts, message is accepted resistence hesitation disappear intimacy grows, love gets generated, team spirit is generated, good work is accomplished so let's not discount the powers of praise, even it can be genuine or only words Tags : Me | |
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Wonderful views, Praise if comes from the heart, purifies oneself. The receiver of the praise, takes to himself, strengthens his ego and if he acts as a mirror and transfers the praise to another entity, he remains unaffected. | |
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So who is supposed to wake up with the call of suprabhatham saying ''uthistha nara shardula....... think do not drive away god from you to the mountain tops or caves or to clouds and skies After driving him away ffar and up, you start in search of him climbing the hills by walk, or going by bus pr train or plane | |
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Ha Ha, An old Tamil film song comes to my reminder now, where Lord Shiva character sings "People search for God everywhere except the place He dwells. They will not find anything" But to me, let them at least search not for a fashion, or simply because they have been told. Let them search with a craving. | |
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People search for God everywhere except the place He dwells. They will not find anything , since they search for a fashion, or simply because they have been told. not with a craving. your observation is right yasthannaveda kim richa karishyathi [to the one who does not know this, what can gods do ] thanks for your valuable attention on all my rants , | |
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Rants??? | |
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My scribbles à°¨ా à°°ాతలు à°¨ాà°¨్ à°‹à°·ి à°•ుà°°ుà°¤ే à°•ాà°µ్à°¯ం à°‹à°·ి à°•ాà°¨ి à°µాà°¡ు à°•à°µి à°•ాà°²ేà°¡ు మనసు à°¨ా కలము à°šేతన à°¨ా à°¸ిà°°ా ఆకాశము à°¨ా à°•ాà°—ితము à°¨ా à°°ాతలు à°¨ా ఇష్à°Ÿాà°²ు à°¨ా ఇస్à°Ÿ à°¦ేవతలు ''naanrishi kuruthe kavyam'' one who is not seer can't pen a poem mind is my pen consciousness is the ink sky is my paper my scribbles are my hearts drizzle my invisible dearest gods coming out, visible | |
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You paint , not rant | |
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Rant Meaning and Definition (n.) High-sounding language, without importance or dignity of thought; boisterous, empty declamation; bombast; as, the rant of fanatics. (v. i.) To rave in violent, high-sounding, or extravagant language, without dignity of thought; to be noisy, boisterous, and bombastic in talk or declamation; as, a ranting preacher. but , i like to do it , my scribbles | |
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Inspiration ..... genuine outpourings coming out effortlessly . Wonderful. | |
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1 all praise to any individual , or himself praising himself is a praise to the almighty within 2 the very intention of any praise to any individual or almighty, is to ''activate'' all the might of the almighty that is lying within, that individual or that entity so go on showering the best of praise to one and all, it is up to the receiver to get ''activated'' and thus access all that mighty might and become almighty' , like hanuman, or just to treat it as sycophancy from a biscuit dog , and throw some biscuits , and be done with it you can see the originality of these thoughts , such interpretation none has given on the implication of praise . here in lies the clue to bring the divinity that stays at ''the top of the hill '' down on earth plane in daily living such wisdom does not dawn by book read or temple visits | |
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'' i am not the same person always.'' | |
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Bhramati kusumaarthaM jaDa-matiH | |
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GabheerE kaasaarE viSati vijanE ghOra-vipinE viSaalE SailE ca bhramati kusumaarthaM jaDa-matiH samarpyaikaM cEtaH-sarasijam umaa naatha bhavatE sukhEna-avasthaatuM jana iha na jaanaati kim-ahO | |
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And what does these things mean? I don't know Sanskrit. | |
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Searches and hunts the dim witted one, In the deep dark lake, In the lonely dangerous forest, And in the broad high mountains For a flower to worship thee. It is a wonder, That these people do not know, To offer to you the single lotus, From the lake of ones own mind, Oh God who is the consort of Uma, And be happy at ones own place. | |
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Great great. The way of expression is fabulous. Is this the meaning of the previous comment you shared? | |
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Yes, but translation is copy paste | |
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I am not rigid in criticizing copy pastes always. It depends on the context. Here it is perfect. | |
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I say to myself copypaste , a mere waste? what is there in it?, it's not your merit can you not be original? and be more useful? i answer to myself i am a passing cloud nothing i am ,nothing mine, no new nor old i copy some where ,the waters of oceans, i paste elsewhere, abundant rains me a copy of divinity pasted by him as humanity rishi copies the akshara pastes as richa god copies woman and man pastes as their daughter or son where is originality of god, newness? he is ever the same, colorless tasteless odourless nothing is his creativity, he is mere waste doing nothing and being nothing , a master copypaste | |
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But your are an "original piece" and even God cannot copy you again. I am stuck with words, while your words fall like cascade. | |
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"original piece" -----oh, you caught me red handed , you saw thru all my hide and seek, behind your ----'' i am not the same always '' so let me tear the curtain , and declare, yes, i am the original, ---------------------'' i am the same alaways '' 'and so ' i am not the same always '' and '' i am the same always '' but how to reconcile , this contradictory truths ? shankara is helpful with his atmastakam ''shivoham''-- i am not this, not this, nethi nethi , i am shivah kevaloham so, the full truth is both together 1 i am never changing, nirgun, nirakar, avyaktha, unmanifest , para 2 i am ever changing, sagun, saakar, vyaktha, manifest , apara you can be 1 or 2 can you be both at a time? how, when | |
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I had once got an opportunity to discuss with a master, I asked him "Where do you stand?". He said "I stand at the door, so that I can enter the kingdom or come to the world" | |
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(Shivanandalahiri. v 9 ! )Beautiful. Asare samsare nij -bhajan doore jadadhiya bhramantam mamandham param kripaya patu-m uchitam. II 13 II O lord, out of Your supreme kindness, it befits You to save me, stupified by ignorance , blinded by and wallowing in hollow worldliness, far removed from Your worship . And these are the words of the Jagat Guru Acharya Shankara , what to say of ordinary people like us ??? | |
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Shankara is the master , every thing from him is masterpiece in the way ''yad yad karma karomi ................................... so are his creations too , like ''shiva manasa puja '' he graduated from gross puja to subtle puja | |
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Karacharanakritam vakkayajam karmajam va Sravana- nayanajam va manasam va paradham, Vihitam -avihitam va sarvametet kshamasva Jaya jaya karunabdhe sri mahadev shambho n. | |
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Here is a model blog by shankara, in shivananda lahari Sarvalankara yuktham saralapadayutham sadhu vruttam suvarnam, Sadbhi samasthuyamanam sarasa gunayutham lakshitham lakshanadyam, Udyad bhoosha visesha mupa gatha vinayam dyotha manarth rekham, Kalyanim deva gowri –priya mama kavitha kanyakam twam gruhana. THIS SLOKA HAS TWO MEANINGS AND COULD BE TAKEN TO MEAN QUALITIES OF A GIRL ATTRIBUTED TO THE POEM OR QUALITIES OF A POEM ATTRIBUTED TO THE GIRL. Qualities of a girl Oh Lord, darling of Goddess Gowri, Please accept and marry my poem, which is like a girl, Who is well made up and ornamented, Who has a pretty lovable gait, Who is of very good character, Who is or pretty attractive colour, Who is being praised by all good people, Who has sweet pleasant behavior, Who is model among girls, Who possess all ideals, Who wears glittering ornaments, Who behaves with decorum, Who has the line of wealth in her palms, And who is store house of all that is good. Qualities of a poem Oh Lord, darling of Goddess Gowri, Please accept and marry my poem maid, Which has good figures of speech, Which is made up of simple lovable words, Which has musical meter, Which shines in well chosen letters, Which is being praised by intellectuals, Which has all good qualities, Which aims at propagating devotion, Which is a model poem, Which has attractive phrases, Which sounds soft and sweet, Which has glittering and attractive import, And which grants good to all | |
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Thats the beauty , there are shades within shades of meaning like an onion.Each more and more beautiful !!! Is it a phalashruti or a blessing from Shankara himself ?? Just as Himavan, Parvati's father gave her to the Lord in marriage , and He stayed happily in Kailasha, so too Shankara,is as though the father of this beautiful maiden Shivanandalahiri. He is offering Shivanandalahiri to the Lord in marriage. Those who read and chant this beautiful work with devotion will have both Lord Shiva and Parvati Devi, stay permanently in their heart, and enjoy the eternal Bliss of Shivanandalahiri. | |
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In the bliss of Shiva ananda , shankara became many a lahiri., waves of bliss in his every creation , at the same alerting,, ''nahi nahi rakshathi dukrun karani , bhaja govindam mudha mathe '' | |
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Another is Jeevan muktananda lahiri. | |
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Dear Nina, Then what is "Soundarya Lahiri"?. | |
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A hundred shlokas in praise of the Devi. Most beautiful !! We chant both Shivanandalahiri and Saudaryalahiri in the same metre , (though in the South the chanting is different. ) Merely chanting either of them without even knowing the meaning gives great joy....... if you hear the actual shades of meaning from a Master , it is indescribable. | |
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Merely chanting either of them without even knowing the meaning gives great joy......''------that is the greatness of deep experience of the one who expressess, anando brahma, these being creations in bliss , and vedic chanting is profound with its style of pronunciation, and classical music flows in raagas , with least mix of sahithya , meaning becomes secomdary, raaga conveys every thing it wants to convey , without the words | |
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Saudaryalahiri is a Shakta text and various yantras etc are also given ............ but for me the sheer beauty of Acharya Shankara's words is the greatest joy . Dont want to use it for worldy things . | |
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Dear Nina, I also feel that even chanting without the meaning is also effective in its own way. The Bhajans, the Kirtans have their own effects. But if meaning is understood, then it is additional boon. I don't know Sanskrit, but at times, I have to be present in the puja conducted in the houses of my parents or family members. At that time, I observe a current with in me due to the vibrations of the Mantras being chanted. | |
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Dear AR, We started out with just chanting ......... and now Brahmananda ji came all the way to US to explain Shivanandalahiri ! (I dont know Sanskrit too ! Just pick up the text with English transliteration......... each word meaning is given . ) Slowly am beginning to understand .... If you love that knowledge and revere it ........ you become an adhikari. It opens its petals to you by itself . | |
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Wonderful Nina, Thanks for sharing your experience. You are a blessed one. No doubt. It is a great boon to have such a master. The vital thing is that "both master and disciple should synchronize". One master cannot suit all the people. Master comes as per the nature of the disciple. There are many types of masters to serve many kinds of disciples. Some promote scriptures, and some advocate moral teachings, some propagate Bhakthi, and some pave way through Yoga and meditation. Few does not do anything, they throw stones on the disciples. The strike of the stone opens up the doors within the disciples. Some masters just see the disciple and do not utter any word. They are "Moun Gurus". I have been with every one of them in various periods in the past. Any spiritual knowledge coming from outside, either by reading books and scriptures or by listening to discourses of great masters, keeps an individual on track. Upanishads form the highest order and speak deepest truths. That is the reason, they have not become famous among common people. A Gita, A Bible reach common people more easily than Upanishads. Even Upanishads speak, but they iterate that the knowledge gained through them should not be taken as the realization itself. External knowledge can at one point become dangerous for the spiritual development, even Upanishads did not fail to mention it. Many people, seem to be so contented by reading books and scriptures and reciting, debating over it. But for certain type of seeker of truth, these are only some tools to keep on track and motivate. He never becomes content with the knowledge alone. His search is not in the words any more. | |
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Dear AR, Youre right . Ones needs to tune ones mind to that of the Master, because he rewires you completely.Most often, more important than his words are what he does not say ! Scriptures and even the Master , even God are just alambanas, supports........... ultimately all have to be dropped ....... for us to vault into the unknown . | |
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I feel the same | |
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